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An Interview with Former LNC Chair Bill Redpath (Part 2) – Being Libertarian

Posted: February 22, 2017 at 4:41 am

Bill Redpath was Chair of the LNC from 2006-2010. He was Chairman of the LPs Ballot Access committee from 1992-1996 and under his direction the Libertarian Party became the first non-major party to achieve ballot access in all 50 states plus DC in two-consecutive elections in United States history. He has been a six-time candidate for the party and today serves as Treasurer for FairVote.

Jacob Linker: If you look at the 2016 campaign on the whole, its odd at just how much of an issues-free campaign it was. Johnson and Weld seemed more inclined to talk about the real issues but nobody else really was interested, theyd rather take their sides like they usually do.

Bill Redpath: Yeah thats my bias, Ill admit. Somebody has to address policy here. It cant just be waving the flag chanting USA, USA at rallies thats a recipe for falling behind in this world among nations. You know what, heres the thing: CATO just came out with the index of Human Freedom? Somebody needs to talk about point blank we are losing our freedoms in this nation. The index of Human Freedom came out a few weeks ago, the United States is ranked number 23. I swear there was not coverage of this that I could see in the major press. You would think that would be news and be something that would concern the American people, but as I said theyre too busy waving the flag and chanting USA, USA. So somebody has to address the public policy issues and if its up to the Libertarian Party to do that then so be it.

Jacob: And you can point out that in many indices the US has been declining in economic freedom as well under Bush and Obama.

Bill: Yeah well economic freedom as well. Our freedoms are melting away in this nation and frankly the body politic, the general public, theyre pretty much unconcerned about it.

Jacob: If you look at it, it just seems people are more inclined towards hating their political opponents that looking at the common issues that are affecting everybody. Its less about solving problems than winning.

Bill: Absolutely, thats absolutely right and I have seen such tribalism frankly among people I know and respect and love in this 2016 campaign who didnt vote for Gary Johnson, not that you necessarily have to be a tribalist, but youre right, its like Team Red vs Team Blue and that rules everything. In the Republican Party, heres the thing, I often hear that, well, when the chips are down and things are really tough, someday the American people will reach for us, reach for a libertarian to solve their problems. Well, you know, they had that chance in 2016 and they had it before. They could have elected Ron Paul as president in earlier elections. And they could have nominated Rand Paul for the Republican nomination and they could have voted for Gary Johnson in the general election, but they didnt do that. They elected an authoritarian, not a libertarian.

Jacob: Do you think theres much more that libertarians as a movement could do to run better campaigns, better sell the message to moderate types, and generally just succeed more? You often hear these numbers like 11% of Americans are libertarian according to Pew or 27% of Americans are libertarian according to 538 and yet our numbers just dont approach that.

Bill: I dont know what more we could do. I have a great friend in the Libertarian Party who complains that our problem is all in marketing and messaging. I dont buy that. Its the election system and, lets just face it, were a political minority. Im very skeptical of these claims that, oh the American people are really libertarian.

Charles Peralo: They arent. Not at all.

Bill: I know! I wouldnt say not at all theyre not much libertarian but the devil is in the details and libertarians, if youre talking big picture things and themes people will sign on to that, but when they get into the details its what, youre going to privatize Social Security or youre going to change Medicare, Im not signing up for that. So theres just a disconnect with a person saying keep government out of my Medicare. What? That shows such an incredible disconnect in thinking and understanding so at the end of the day I think were doing all we can and like I said, the Ron Paul and Rand Paul and Gary Johnson options are there and the American people chose Donald Trump. What does that say?

Charles: Shifting it a little bit more, you were the Chairman of the Party from 2006 to 2010. During that election you had 2008. In 2008 we had the Barr-Root Campaign. Now, Im a pragmatist. I dont really look for the anarchist, dont really look for the radical, Ive been criticized pretty heavily for saying the Libertarian Party should explore some other options. But I look at Bob Barr, he wrote DOMA, wrote the Patriot Act, had a very neo-conish record and I look at his running mate Wayne Allen Root who, and it may be harsh to say this, but I think he was just trying to sell his own little books there, and hes willing to play with whatever pariah movement gives him a shot. Do you have any problems with that ticket or 2008 as a whole?

Bill: No I think that given the knowledge at the time first of all I want to say this, I think Bob Barr did change and change for the betterI really think Bob Barr had rethought some things and became a changed person from how he was earlier with DOMA and all of that. And I think Bob Barr also, I came to think of Bob frankly as a personal friend. Bob Barr made a lot of personal sacrifices that people dont know about, or dont think about. There are sacrifices made to be a Libertarian Party Candidate and Bob made a lot of them and I think Bob represented the Libertarian Party well in the 2008 campaign. Now hes no longer involved in the LP but hes welcome back any time he wants to come back. And frankly, the same for Wayne Root even though I do mind his support for Donald Trump this campaign. I think he is a good man. I think hes interested, Wayne is selling Wayne and its his right to do so, he has taken some positions that I disagree with, some that make me cringe, and his enthusiasm for Donald Trump frankly was disappointing. But, these things happen. Unfortunately, because of the election system, its very hard to grow candidates in our own party who are recognized by the American voters and so this is an unfortunate byproduct people coming from outside the party to within the party, sometimes they stay sometimes they leave, but its a byproduct of the voting system that we cant grow our own politicians from the lower levels up.

Jacob: Looking at 2008 the convention picked Bob Barr for its nominee when former Senator Mike Gravel tried for the nomination as well after failing in the Democratic race. He seems like he would have been a much stronger candidate, having held a higher office, being a strong anti-war candidate, and having greater fundraising capacity given the endorsement of Ralph Nader who went on to run in 2008 and raise more money than Bob Barr did. Do you think compared to a more conservative guy and not as big of a name like Bob Barr that Mike Gravel, or a Gravel-Barr ticket, could have been better? Meanwhile Barr might just be better running for the LP in a House race like the special election coming up in Georgia.

Bill: I liked Mike, Im not surprised that he didnt get the nomination, but to have a former United States Senator come over I thought is, I didnt agree with everything he had to say, but again I thought he was a good man and a person of good will who added something to the LP and the presidential nomination process in 2008. And Im sorry, your other question was?

Jacob: I was talking about a recent Reason article about the Special Election for Congressman, Prices Senate Seat in Georgia. Its of the same sort of New South Demographic that Robert Sarvis in Virginia polled double digits in and seems like a strong possibility for the Libertarians, with Bob Barr a former Georgia Congressman seeming like a good potential candidate.

Bill: It depends on his positions. I mean if he took highly libertarian positions that would be great. I havent talked to Bob in years now and it depends on the positions that he would take. But to have an actual libertarian elected to the US House of Representatives would be huge for the Libertarian Party. Now, I havent read the article, I know of the article. Its gonna be an uphill battle. Its not impossible, my sense is itd be very much a long shot. We definitely need to take advantage of special elections because it is very, very difficult for our candidates in Georgia because under the laws there we have statewide ballot status but for US House and State Legislature we dont have ballot status and it is very difficult to get on for regular elections but it is easier to get on for special elections and we should take advantage of this opportunity and run the best candidate possible who is willing and able to run.

Jacob: So youre not that sure about Barr as the candidate and you dont think the race there is that big an opportunity for us.

Bill: Just to get in there would be a good thing. Again I dont think we have a realistic chance at winning but I think we ought to run candidates for every election. It is very difficult for us. We had a situation here in Virginia where Gerry Connally ran unopposed there was a fellow who was running and he would have made the ballot except he became quite ill in May and dropped out of the race because he was diagnosed with an illness from which he would recover but it was going to take a while and he just said he couldnt run.

Charles: I mean when it comes to candidates in the LP I think its kind of a weird situation. You are correct, we need more people to run for office. I go to New York to vote, and when I see Gary Johnson and Alex Merced and Senate and Presidential candidates, but then I look at the rest of the ballot and we have no one on Congress, nobody on state senate, nobody for anything else, that does create a problem where I can see why more people vote for one of the other main parties. But one issue Ive had is just that some of the Libertarian Party candidates arent very strong and they tend to say things or do thing during the campaign that almost make me wish they wouldnt run or I wish we could have John Doe run instead. How do actually have a lot of candidates run but make sure theyre the right candidates?

Bill: Well its ultimately up to the various state organizations and their rules. There are rules to nominations and if somebody gets the nomination theyre the nominee. I would say Id like to go back for a second. I highly recommend people go to reason.tv and watch a 12 minute interview done recently with Richard Winger and he talks about ballot access. Its getting easier to run for president, but its been getting harder to run for US House of Representatives. There are states where its 3,000 or more signatures. In Virginia its 1,000 valid signatures to get on the ballot for US House of Representatives. In Georgia its 5%. It would take something like over 12,000 valid signatures in Georgia to get on the ballot for a general election US House of Representatives race. Theres only been one case of somebody doing that in the last 70 or 80 years. In Illinois its something like 3,000 valid signatures. Its tough. I agree that the Libertarian Party should run as many non-embarrassing candidates for office as possible, but its tough. Its up to the state parties to pick the candidates, but I agree that when you have your candidate at a forum being laughed at, not just disagreed with but laughed at, its bad.

Charles: Id also just say keep your clothes on, unlike one little incident from Orlando with a very good pal of the radical caucus. I was in Bill Welds delegation at the convention and I was just looking at the face he was giving as that was happening. I was just saying what did I get myself into?

Bill: That was an extremely unfortunate incident and it was one of these things where I just was sort of frozen. I could have and should have run up on the stage and stopped the guy. Jim Lark who was chairing at the time had actually stepped out of the hall for a moment and was coming back in and had heard what happened. That was unfortunate. There were plenty of people there but it was surreal you couldnt believe what was happening. You were just sort of frozen because of disbelief as to what was going on. Mr. Weeks definitely damaged the credibility of the Libertarian Party by doing that and he should be censured for what he did.

Charles: It was kind of a sad thing to happen but, oh well, weve progressed on from it. I find it sad that in this point in time James Weeks I think would have a better chance at winning a Libertarian Party popularity contest than Bill Weld sadly. Im a big supporter of Bill but sadly thats just the truth at this point.

Bill: Well, perhaps I dont know.

Jacob: Changing the subject back to FairVote and electoral reform, how are you feeling going forward? Where do you think the next success is going to be? California has its referendum system which makes ballot measures relatively easy and the legislature actually passed ranked-choice last year only to get blocked by Jerry Brown. Minnesota and Oregon also have some county-level referendums on the process.

Bill: I really dont know whats coming up next in that regard. I think California is a possibility. I dont know where things stand in Minnesota, but FairVote Minnesota is probably the strongest state organization affiliated with FairVote and then I just found out yesterday about Massachusetts where there apparently is an effort. And I think Massachusetts, I could be wrong, but I thought Richard Winger once told me on a per capita basis Massachusetts may have the easiest initiative laws to get something on the ballot. I think things are slowly but surely, and things could snowball if we get a few states and a whole bunch more counties on board with ranked choice voting. But then at some point its going to have to progress to something different. One other thing, theres all this talk now about redistricting reform. Obama brought this up in his farewell speech the other night weve got to draw districts differently. We need to make them multi-member districts and thats something people need to talk about. We could have districts with five representatives instead of one representative and that would make things a lot more interesting and give people a lot more effective choices. I also hope the Libertarian Party gets more involved in electoral reform and the electoral reform movement in the United States. There is a reticence among libertarians, I have a good friend who thinks the Libertarian Party should not be involved in any electoral reform moves. I dont understand that. I dont understand why someone would be involved in a minor party in the United States and not be in favor of proportional representation and an initiative system. It would make for a better democracy in my opinion and there is nothing wrong with supporting reforms that would help your organization. Electoral reform could be the key to making the Libertarian Party a real presence in US politics.

Charles: So, just closing this up, in 2020 we have Donald Trump running for reelection. Donald Trump has a 37% approval rating

Bill: Maybe [hell run], but lets accept that premise.

Charles: Lets say theres a good chance. Maybe not. The Democrats have a very weak field. It seems like Corey Booker is trying to be like the good nice moderate, Liz Warren is trying to be Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders is trying to also consider running assuming he lives that long, it looks like the Democrats have a week field and the Republicans might have a candidate with a 25% approval rating whose ego wont let him not run. The Libertarian Party, weve managed to get 3% this time, I think with a stronger campaign we could have broken 10% or hey if we made the debates we could have possibly pulled the biggest upset in history do you think in 2020 were gonna have a chance at doing this again and could you picture any candidate being able to break the mold, get past the 15%, get into the debates, raise 50-100 million dollars, and maybe win this thing?

Bill: Well I dont know. I know of nobody who has said theyre seeking the 2020 presidential nomination. With respect to Donald Trump I would be very surprised if he isnt primaried in his own party in 2020 and that assumes hes not impeached and removed from office before then. Im serious, I think that things are so crazy in what weve seen here that I wouldnt be surprised if Donald Trump is impeached from office before the end of his first term. Well see what goes there. If hes got a 20-25% approval rating, you can bet your bottom dollar hes gonna get primaried in the Republican Party.

Charles: Im positive hell get primaried and even if he has a 20% approval rating, so long as those people who showed up in the primary do show up again he could still get the nomination again. Its going to be very tough to take down an incumbent president.

Bill: It would be tough but not impossible and if enough people realize that they were buffaloed by him the first time around, I could see a situation where its going to be very tough for him to retain blue-collar America if things dont materially improve for them over the next 3 years. Well see, but I dont know really who would seek the nomination for President in 2020 and really be a credible candidate to get 15+ percent.

Charles: I could see Ted Cruz trying in the primary with a slogan like wheres the wall 2020.

Bill: I dont know and Im not all that interested. On the Democratic side, here in Virginia Mark Warner, I dont know if hed be all that interested, but I could see a Democrat sort of in the mold of Mark Warner who positions himself quite successfully as a centrist Democrat being a strong candidate to face Donald Trump or any Republican in 2020. I dont know if hed do that or not, but he would be up for reelection to the US Senate in 2020 and I dont know whether he could run for both or whether hed want to. I could see where the Democrats, of course the partys gone left, but you never know they could say hey weve got to suck it up and nominate someone whos electable.

Charles: Okay. Overall Bill thank you for joining us, weve had a great time, and we look forward to the next 2-4 years of the liberty movement and see where it gets us.

Bill: I think were moving forward but weve got to try to move forward faster and do everything we can to capitalize on our progress so far.

Charles: And keep our clothes on.

Bill: That too.

Jacob: Alright Bill, its been great to have you here with us.

Bill: Same to you Charles and Jacob. Thank you for having me.

This has been the second of two parts of BeingLibertarian.coms interview with former LNC Bill Redpath. Click here for part 1.

DISCLAIMER: This interview has been edited for reduction of stuttering, repetition, and vocalized pauses as well as succinctness.

Jacob Linker is a Campus Coordinator with Students For Liberty and the State Chair of Young Americans for Liberty in his state.

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Shange excel at the Oceania Race Walk Championship – Pretoria East Rekord

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In a near repeat of last year it was again Dane Bird-Smith (Australia) and South Africas Lebogang Shange from Tuks HPC who took the top honours at the Oceania Race 20km Race Walk Championship in Adelaide this weekend.

The bronze medallist at last years Olympic Games in Rio, Bird-Smith, won in a time of 1:19:37 with Shange second in 1:21:00 and Quentin Rew (New Zealand) third in 1:21:12.

Another local athlete, Wayne Snyman from Tuks HPC, finished sixth in a time of 1:21:26.

Shange had sort of mixed feelings after the weekends race. In light of the fact that he has been diagnosed with an iron deficiency while he was at a training camp he considers his second place finish as not to bad. He was told by the Australian medical team who treated him not to get his hope up for a good result.

The HPC-athlete said it was a matter of pride that led to him pushing himself deep into the red.

There is no way that I could train in Australia for two months and then come back to South Africa empty handed. The fact that I doubted my own physical abilities led to me starting the race quite conservatively. Once I realized that I am actually feeling quite good I started to up my pace which led to me catching and passing the early race leaders, he said after the race.

His disappointment sprouts from the fact that according to the official qualification standards set by the IAAF he would have qualified for the World Championships in London but according to qualification standards set by Athletics South Africa he has not done so. The South African qualification standard is 1:20:30 while the IAAFs standard is 1:24:00. According to the IAAF qualification standards Snyman has also qualified to represent South Africa in London.

Last year Shange set a new South African record when raced to a time of 1:20:06.

It would have been nice to have had the qualification for the World Championships out of the way so that I can just focus on becoming a stronger and faster as I am driven by a hunger to make South Africans proud every time I race. Instead my coach, Chris Britz, and I will now have to identify another race to try and qualify. To meet the ASA standard is going to be quite a challenge as I would have to walk near SA record pace to do so. In most international races a time of 1:20:30 will be good enough for a podium finish, Shange concluded.

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KC Royals: Alex Gordon CF Trial Suggests Worry About Lorenzo Cain – Kings of Kauffman

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Oct 31, 2015; New York City, NY, USA; Kansas City Royals center fielder Lorenzo Cain (6) celebrates with teammates Alcides Escobar (2) and Alex Gordon (4) after scoring a run against the New York Mets in the 8th inning in game four of the World Series at Citi Field. Mandatory Credit: Noah K. Murray-USA TODAY Sports

Kansas City Royals Enter Spring Training As Underdogs by John Viril

One of the more curious stories to come out of the first week of spring training in Surprise, Arizona was the news that the Kansas City Royals would allow left field defensive zen master Alex Gordonto log some time in center field. According to Yost, Gordon had asked about the possibility for years and he chose this season to give it a whirlpresumably out of an impish desire to develop his clubs versatility.

Dont let Yosts casual characterization fool you. Hes indulging in the age-old baseball wisdom that the man in charge must ALWAYS pretend nothing could possibly be wrong. Hes not at all worried.

Oh no.

Its just an experiment. It means nothing.

Yeah, right.

You experiment with a players versatility when theyre young and you still havent explored their full skill set. You generally dont do it with 33-year-old four-time Gold Glove winners at left field unless you have a good reason. That good reason is most likely concerns about Lorenzo Cains ability to stay in the lineup while patrolling center field.

Last season, Lorenzo Cain played a mere 101 games. He missed most of July with a pulled hamstring. After he returned, Yost played Cain in right field and movedPaulo Orlando and Jarrod Dyson to center in order to reduce stress on Cains hamstring. Cain then missed all but one game in September due to a broken hand as the KC Royals fell out of the race.

With Cain in the lineup, the Kansas City Royals went 59-42. Without Lorenzo Cain in the lineup, KC fell to 21-39.

Clearly, being able to write Lorenzo Cains name on the lineup card most days is one key to the KC Royals success in 2017. Except this season, Yost cant just swap him with speedy right fielders Orlando and Dyson. General manager Dayton Moore traded Dyson to the Mariners for rotation candidate Nate Karns. Meanwhile, Paulo Orlando figures to become a reserve behind heavy hitting Jorge Soler (who isnt a candidate to play center).

What is Yost to do if Cain suffers a similar leg injury in 2017, and needs to play a corner outfield spot to stay in the lineup? THATS what the Alex Gordon in center experiment is all about. Yost wants to know if Gordons outstanding ability to read the ball off the bat and take good routes will allow him to play center. Then, Yost could put Cain in left and keep his best bats in the lineup. Or, better yet, move him to designated hitter and put Brandon Moss in an outfield corner.

As the old saw goes, actions speak louder than words. Ned Yost is concerned about 31-year-old Lorenzo Cains ability to avoid injury in center field. Hes using spring training to explore his options just in case Cains legs wear down.

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As atheism rises, nonbelievers find one another – MyAJC

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Jeff Newport can cite the Bible chapter and verse.

He went to Christian schools, attended church every Sunday and delivered his first sermon at 13.

In 1996, he was called to pastor a small Baptist church in Jesup with a congregation of about 30 for Sunday morning services.

Everything revolved around church, Newport said. We would not have even thought of missing a service unless we were ill. Family Bible reading and prayer were normal activities we never had a meal, even in public, for which we didnt say a blessing.

Today, though, the 46-year-old Savannah man considers himself a nonbeliever.

He lost faith in faith.

Its not easy being a nonbeliever or a skeptic in the Bible Belt South.

Move to a new city. Start a new job. Or meet a potential romantic interest.

One of the first things youre asked is: Where do you go to church?

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Religion is big in these parts. It can be the social center of a persons life. Often friendships are built within the walls of a sanctuary. Families worship together. Faith and where you worship not only give people a sense of believing but belonging.

Still, atheism (or at least the acknowledgment of it) appears to be on the rise though slightly.

Pews 2014 Religious Landscape Study found that 3.1 percent of American adults say they are atheists, up from 1.6 percent in a similarly large survey in 2007. An additional 4 percent of Americans call themselves agnostics, up from 2.4 percent in 2007.

The Washington, D.C.-basedSecular Coalition for America, for instance, boasts 29,000 people on its mailing list and more than 130,000 followers on its various social media accounts. Its followers include atheists, agnostics, humanists and other nonbelievers or those who arent sure of the presence of a higher spirit.

Thats an increase in 2016 of more than 5,000 new subscribers on their email list, more than 7,000 new Twitter followers and more than 10,000 Facebook likes.

Turning away

For Newport, it was a gradual change. For most of his early life, he never doubted the existence of God or the doctrines of Christianity.

The more he attempted to learn and weigh evidence pro and con, the more that faith began to unravel.

He left the Baptist ministry in 1999 and converted to the Eastern Orthodox Church. During his 12 years in this tradition, he gradually laid aside some of the dogmas of Christianity the reality of a literal hell, the inerrancy of the Bible, the exclusivity of Christianity as the only way to God, among others.

At the same time, he developed a love of science and the reliability of an evidence-based approach to find truth.

In 2012, he took a job that required work on Sundays. It gave him time and space to re-evaluate his faith. My faith couldnt stand up to this scrutiny. By the middle of 2014, I had quietly, but firmly, decided I no longer believed in God or the supernatural.

He has never approached the topic with his parents, who are dyed-in-the-wool Christians.

I think they would be disappointed, and would certainly worry about my soul if they knew I no longer believed, Newport said.

Newport is a member ofthe Clergy Project, which was formed in 2011 to create a safe and secure online community for former and current religious leaders who no longer believed in God. Many of the former pastors and church leaders prefer to remain anonymous, in part because of fear of being ostracized by family and friends. For pastors, stepping away from the pulpit can also mean loss of income.

The organization has more than 750 members in 34 countries.

Initially, all were from Christian backgrounds, but its members now include Muslims and Buddhists.

About a third of its members still serve in religious leadership positions, although they no longer believe in a higher power. It runs the gamut from more scientific stuff to more theological questions, said Drew Bekius, president of the Clergy Project. They see tragedy in the world, yet you see people claiming God just got them a parking space. So God will answer the prayer for a parking space while millions of people are in poverty?

For others, its more personal. Perhaps there was a personal heartbreak or death of a loved one. Perhaps they saw immense suffering and wondered how could God allow people to suffer?

A large part of it is that people are dissatisfied with the moral teachings of some of the religions they belong to, said Casey Brescia, a spokesman forSecular Coalition for America. For instance, a lot of people are turned off by their churchs position on LGBTQ equality. But also people are beginning to find community elsewhere. Churches dont play the same role in the community they used to. Its just a wide variety of factors.

He sees a growing number of younger Americans who eschew any religions, and that, he said, is a tectonic shift. That means that people are walking away from church and walking away from institutions that used to play such an important role.

In what has become an annual holiday tradition,American Atheistslaunches billboards nationwide urging viewers to celebrate an atheist Christmas by skipping church. Several of the locations in Southern states will be up later this year to promote the solar eclipse convention the atheists will host in Charleston, S.C., in August 2017.

It is important for people to know religion has nothing to do with being a good person, and that being open and honest about what you believe and dont believe is the best gift you can give during the holiday season, David Silverman, president of American Atheists, said in a release about the holiday billboard campaign.

Doubts and discomfort

Its hard to say how many atheists there are in the United States. Even the Pew Research Center has trouble giving an exact number. Why?

Its complicated.Some people who describe themselves as atheists also say they believe in God or a universal spirit, according to Pew. Conversely, some people who identify as Catholic, Protestant or Jewish also say they dont believe in God.

According to a survey by theAtheist Alliance International, most people who identify as atheists, agnostics, humanists, freethinkers, nonreligious or secularists are male, college-educated and more than a third are between the ages of 25 and 34.

Mandisa Thomas, the founder and president of theBlack Nonbelievers, a 3,000-member organization based in Atlanta, grew up in a black nationalist household.

In this age of information, she said, a lot of traditional notions are not holding up anymore. We are beginning to see the world is not right. Were told to just have faith or pray on it. Thats just not enough for people anymore.

Its especially hard for African-Americans, she said.

Religion is still so ingrained in the black identity that to openly state that one is atheist means that youre rejecting your race and culture.

Nonbelievers often talk about how uncomfortable it can be to navigate a world that can be largely faith-based.

You get a lot of unnecessary attention, and most of it is negative, said Deric McNealy, 28, a machine operator who lives in Jonesboro. People always try to come up and save you. They try to speak to you about God all the time or badger you, and that makes work very uncomfortable.

McNealy grew up in a Christian family that included church leaders.

He began to question things in the Bible at an early age.

As McNealy became older, he began to apply critical thought to all aspects of my life, and religion just happened to be one of the main things.

His family wasnt too happy.

I think its a lot easier today than in the past because of the internet, he said. In the past, there was no community, no communications for people who questioned their beliefs. Now we go online and link with like-minded individuals.

Atlantan Ross Llewallyn, who identifies as atheist, grew up in a Methodist household in Atlanta. I had a good time going to Sunday school and the service, said the 28-year-old software engineer. Over time, he began to think more about the presence of God.

I was always someone of science and reason and tried to be true and accurate in my understanding of the world, he said.

Take prayer, for instance. He was always told that before going to bed, he should get on his knees by the side of his bed and pray. He prayed for good things to happen to family, friends and himself. Soon he questioned whether he really needed to be on his knees. Why not just in bed? And why did he have to say his prayers aloud? Couldnt God just hear his thoughts? I started thinking more critically about things like that, he said.


Sunday may be the prominent day of worship in Atlanta, but thats changing as a growing number of other religions establish congregations in our global city. This is an occasional series that examines how religion impacts life in Atlanta. You can read the earlier entries in the series onmyajc.com.

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Horses on the Caribbean Track – Scuttlebutt Sailing News

Posted: February 20, 2017 at 7:39 pm

Antigua, West Indies (February 20, 2017) The ninth edition of the RORC Caribbean 600 started today in sparkling conditions with the largest ever offshore fleet assembled in the Caribbean. A southeasterly breeze, occasionally gusting up to 15 knots, and a relatively calm sea state provided the landscape for the 80-boats to begin their 600 nm tour of 11 islands.

This fleet is awe inspiring because of the quality of the boats and you can see that by the competition at the start to get close to the cliffs, noted Eddie Warden Owen, RORC Chief Executive. From the first gun, people were pushing hard to win the race. The RORC Caribbean 600 has grown, year after year and we just love it, it is the perfect playground for offshore racing.

The MOD70 battle for multihull line honours has already kicked off. Lloyd Thornburgs Phaedo3 pulled away from Giovanni Soldinis Maserati at the upwind start but as the two cracked sheets at Green Island, Maserati deployed their foils and took up the lead. Two hours into the race, the two flying trimarans were approaching the Barbuda mark touching 18 knots of boat speed.

Battle of the MOD70s: Giovanni Soldinis Maserati (ITA) and Lloyd Thornburgs Phaedo3 (USA) RORC/Tim Wright

George Davids American Rambler 88 at the start of the RORC Caribbean 600 RORC/Tim Wright

George Davids Rambler 88 got away to a terrific start and leads the monohull fleet on the water by almost three miles on approach to Barbuda. However, three hours into the race and after IRC time correction, George Sakellaris Proteus is estimated to be leading overall with Hap Fauths Bella Mente second and Rambler 88 third.

IRC Canting Keel and IRC Zero produced a thrilling start. Among the two Maxi72s, Proteus was perilously close to the line at the start and boldly sailed Bella Mente towards the cliffs. You could hear Bella Mente calling for water from the cliff top and within less than a boat length of the rocky shoreline, Proteus tacked, leaving Bella Mente no option but to tack into their dirty air.

It is likely that the two Maxi72s will be having a close quarters battle throughout the race. Proteus passed Green Island just 26 seconds ahead of Bella Mente. The two powerful yachts hoisted spinnakers, accelerating through the Caribbean swell and Proteus showed a better turn of speed opening a lead of several miles on the way to Barbuda.

Proteus, winner of the 2016 RORC Caribbean 600 and Hap Fauths Bella Mente RORC Tim Wright

Ed Fishwicks J/122 Redshift on El Ocaso nailed the pin end at the first start which saw the combined IRC Two & IRC 3 classes away clear. This year with softer winds predicted, perhaps one of these yachts will win the overall prize of the RORC Caribbean 600 Trophy.

Redshift on El Ocaso was leading on the water at Green Island but two hours into the race, Sailing Logics First 40, Joanna of Cowes, skippered by James Sweetman, was estimated to be leading IRC Two after time correction. In IRC Three, Jonty Layfields Swan 48 Sleeper X held a two mile lead on the American Swan 48, Isbjorn and was estimated to be leading on corrected time. However the entire class of nine yachts are all very close on the water.

The Class40 Division are enjoying incredibly close racing. Peter Hardings Ph-orty leads, Catherine Pourres Erendil and Halvard Mabires Campagne de France are both within one mile. The pack of Class40s have the magnificent sight of the 182ft twin-masted schooner Adela ahead of them. Cressida Robinson reporting from Carl Wilcoxs Nisida: We have had everything from 15 knots gusting up to 30 and spotted a water spout on the way to Barbuda.

Ed Fishwicks J/122 Redshift on El Ocaso nailed the pin end at the first start which saw the combined IRC Two & IRC 3 fleet RORC/Tim Wright

Transpac 52 Heartbreaker (USA), Mike Slades Farr 100, Leopard (GBR), George Davids Rambler 88(USA) and Hap Fauths JV 72, Bella Mente (USA) RORC/Tim Wright

RORC Commodore, Michael Boyd was hoping to compete on Giles Redpaths Pata Negra, but due to business commitments had to watch the start from ashore this year. It was almost as nerve racking to be up at Fort Charlotte as on the water, and of course we are all hurlers from the ditch telling them to get closer to the cliffs. It was a fascinating start from an amazing and historic vantage point to see these wonderful boats take off. Everything went very smoothly, which is a great tribute to our professional race management team and our volunteers. This was quite an emotional moment for me and we will of course be wishing them all well for the next few days and a safe return.

Hundreds of spectator watch Phaedo3 and Maserati head off towards Barbuda after the start Rachel Fallon-Langdon / Team Phaedo

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Background: The 9th edition of the RORC Caribbean 600 starts from Antigua on Monday February 20, 2017. The 600nm course circumnavigates 11 Caribbean Islands starting from Fort Charlotte, English Harbour, Antigua and heads north as far as St Martin and south to Guadeloupe taking in Barbuda, Nevis, St Kitts, Saba and St Barths.

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Offshore racing for superyachts – Superyacht News – The Superyacht Report

Posted: February 15, 2017 at 9:37 pm

The Antigua Yacht Club is a hive of activity this week in the lead up to the Royal Ocean Racing Club (RORC) Caribbean 600 the 600-mile offshore race around 11 Caribbean islands, which kicks off from Antigua on Monday. Even though the event attracts some of fastest racing yachts, recent years have seen an impressive superyacht turnout, with Adela and Eleonora E joining the fleet this year.

In part this relates to the fact that the Caribbean 600s is one of the only offshore races in which superyachts are able to participate. We also have a fantastic location where they all want to be anyway, so the opportunity for the larger yachts is perfect, adds Nick Elliott, RORCs racing manager.

While other areas of the sector are in decline, offshore racing is one of the few areas of the sailing that is seeing growth. This will be the ninth edition of the Caribbean 600s, which had only 24 entrants in at its advent. Every year it has grown in participation, says Elliott. We have also just seen the Rolex Fastnet Race sell out in four and a half minutes, which is allowing superyachts in for the first time and will see Nikata come and race. We are very fortunate that our side of the sport is in growth.

Elliott believes the main attraction of offshore racing comes down to the sense of challenge and adventure, and this presents a perfect opportunity for the superyacht industry. You are essentially putting yourself against the elements but within the luxurious environment that a superyacht offers, he explains. Over the years we have seen a trend of existing superyacht owners come and try out the race on different boats through charter and generally they get hooked.

As an example of this, this year the owners of Baltic 112 Path have chartered Leopard 3 for the race. The reason being that the owners didnt feel that Path would be competitive enough but they didnt want to miss a good offshore race. According to Elliott, this idea happens a lot. Its an interesting way of getting people into racing that is not so common at the superyacht-focused regattas.

With the likes of Leopard 3, Bella Mente and Rambler 88 out on the course, another factor in the offshore racing circuit that doesnt happen at the superyacht regattas is that the boats are competing against top offshore sailors on top offshore boats. Elliott recalls that last year Adix entered solely because the owners nephew was racing on a Class 40. They werent even that different in speed, he laughs.

So is there opportunity for the future growth of superyacht participation? Surely it takes a certain type of ownerto have the desire to participate in offshore racing. If you find an owner that comes from an offshore sailing background then of course it is going toappeal more to them, he responds. But I think that most owners would enjoy it, and its more about encouraging the captains that it will be fun and its not going to break the boat or carry untold expenses.

For the Caribbean 600s, Elliott explains that the conditions are particularly challenging for the larger yachts. There are so many corners with so many islands to navigate with close proximity to reefs and shallow water, considering the sail plans on boats like Adela and Eleanora E, they have to work really hard to keep the boats safe and going quickly around the course, he says, adding that this doesnt mean a lesser chance of victory. If you look at Adelas track record over the years, they can be incredibly competitive.

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Are there enough robots? – Robotics Tomorrow (press release)

Posted: at 12:18 am

Future trends indicate that there will be a concentration on the collaboration of human and machine, simplified applications, and light-weight robots. We will also see an increased focus on modular robots and robotic systems, which will be marketed at exceptionally alluring prices.

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It is anticipated that our economy will need to generate about a million jobs a year just to keep up with future growth. Because of the digital revolution, many new jobs have been created, but they are not labor intensive. This is where robots come into play. As the economy expands, we will need both humans for the mental tasks, and robots to handle the tedious and dangerous work.

Automation is extending beyond factories and distribution centers. White collar jobs are starting to be replaced by artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence has already replaced various human jobs in music, journalism, teaching, research and other typical human careers. Attorneys are replacing paralegals with search engines, which are more efficient in finding topics than any human. Medical devices are assisting doctors in analyzing a patients symptoms with suggested solutions.

There will be a time when robots will make our goods and handle the services to support those goods. China is already aware that they do not have enough robots in the workforce. China is now the fastest growing and largest robotics market in the world, due mainly to an aging population, something that the U.S. is also facing. By next year, the robot population in China will explode. A third of all robots manufactured will be sold in China.

We are going through an industrial revolution, and it is accelerating. In the next few years, around 1.4 million industrial robots will be entering service in factories around the world. In the high-revenue automotive sector, global investments in industrial robots increased by a record-breaking 43 percent in just one year. The international market value for robotic systems is now about $32 billion. In the race for automation in manufacturing, the European Union is currently one of the global frontrunners with 65 percent of the EU countries having an above-average number of industrial robots per 10,000 employees. Still, the strongest growth for robots will be found in China with 40 percent of the worldwide market volume of industrial robots will be sold there alone in 2019. (World Robot Statistics, issued by the International Federation of Robotics).

There doesnt seem to be a shortage of industrial robots, as the number of robots deployed worldwide will increase to around 2.6 million units by 2019. 70 percent of the industrial robots are presently working in the automotive, electronics, metal and machinery industries.

At present, the U.S. is the fourth largest single market for industrial robots in the world. Within the U.S., Canada and Mexico, newly installed industrial robots rose by 17 percent. The U.S. accounts for three-quarters of all units sold at a 5 percent growth. The demand in Canada rose by 49 percent, while Mexico grew by 119 percent. If the economic situation can last, we might see an average annual growth of 5 to 10 percent in sales of robots from 2017 to 2019. Right now, NAFTA is on an unsteady course, so these figures might change.

HIT Robot Group, a Chinese company associated with the Harbin Institute of Technology, created an automated production line for lithium ion batteries that appears to be one giant robot. Robotic vehicles carry components between several manufacturing machines. The only place where you can find humans is inside a control room in the center. HIT estimates the new factory could reduce human labor by as much as 85 percent while manufacturing 150,000 batteries a day.

Patents for robotics and autonomous systems have jumped double-digit year-on-year for the last three years. According to a report published by the UK Intellectual Property Office, the number of global published patents for these technologies increased 9 percent of all of the global patents with Japan, Germany and the U.S. accounting for most of the patents.

In North America, robot orders were up 10 percent in 2016 compared to 2015, according to the Robotics Industry Association. 34,606 robots were ordered in North America with a total market value of $1.9 billion. For the fourth quarter, robot orders hit 10,621 valued at $561 million, up 21 percent from a year ago, which is a good indicator for 2017. The global industrial robotics market is expected to reach $79.58 billion by 2022, growing at a Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) of 11.92% between 2016 and 2022.

The food and consumer goods industries ordered 32% more robots in 2016 than the previous year with food safety inspections, packaging, picking, handling and palletizing being among the highest applications for these robots.

Capping its most successful year in history, the robotics, vision and motion control industries are preparing to come together for Automate 2017, North Americas largest automation exhibition and conference April 3-6 in Chicago. Over 300 exhibitors and a record 20,000 attendees are expected to gather.

How will the robot manufacturers keep up? Venture capital investments in robotics technology start-ups are on the rise. Capital investments by U.S. venture capital firms escalated to about $172 million. This increase in investments is an especially meaningful signal that the robotics industry could see an accelerated growth as these VC-backed companies grow. It provides a window into the future as to what the investment community believes will be promising and profitable.

The robotic industry is booming in China, there are thousands of local robotic companies jumping into the market, manufacturing both industrial robots and service robots. China is not only a large supplier of low-wage workers, but also a source of high technology with robotics manufacturing being one of the hottest trends. The Robot Report and the research team at Robo-STOX have been able to identify 194 companies that make or are directly involved in making robots in China.

Future trends indicate that there will be a concentration on the collaboration of human and machine, simplified applications, and light-weight robots. We will also see an increased focus on modular robots and robotic systems, which will be marketed at exceptionally alluring prices.

The request for industrial robots will also be driven by an assortment of factors, which include the processing of new materials, energy efficiency, and improved automation concepts.

The one thing that is certain is that the manufacturers of robots are building an army of robots ready to step in and handle the tasks of the future.

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Executives Reflect on Evolving GUSA – Georgetown University The Hoya

Posted: February 14, 2017 at 11:15 am

FILE PHOTO: LAUREN SEIBEL/THE HOYA The Georgetown University Student Association has sought to introduce a series of reforms this year, including the proposed abolition of the GUSA senate to be replaced by a new, elected assembly.

Two years ago, former Georgetown University Student Association President Joe Luther (COL 16) and Vice President Connor Rohan (COL 16) ran a satirical campaign with only two serious platforms on mental health and sexual assault reform. Last year, Enushe Khan (MSB 17) and Chris Fisk (COL 17) entered the race with a platform consisting of over 44 policies.

The two campaigns reveal two disparate visions of GUSAs role in serving the student body. As this seasons GUSA executive election heads into full swing, The Hoya looks back at how student government has changed on campus in recent years.

Stemming from the Senate What began for Luther as a satirical campaign to make fun of GUSA soon turned into a real campaign to change GUSA. While parts of GUSA may seem pointless, Luther said he believes in GUSAs ability to spearhead change.

We fought for and achieved a campus plan that stopped encroaching on students right to be equal members of the community. We gave students New York Times subscriptions. We tried to make GUSA a little less buttoned up with videos, ad campaigns and an Aw shucks attitude, Luther wrote in an email to The Hoya. But also, the senate is a pretty silly idea.

Abbey McNaughton (COL 16), who served as GUSA chief of staff under Luther and Rohan following her own campaign for president the same year, said that working in the senate was much more individualistic than she originally anticipated.

Initially I probably thought there were more senate projects, but that depends on whos involved, McNaughton said. The senate does not make you contribute to Georgetown or make something better it comes on you to take it on yourself.

According to Khan, the senate under previous administrations was structured in a way that made it largely redundant. Khan served as senate speaker before she came president and advocated for the replacement of the senate with a proposed assembly during a referendum in December.

My experience with the senate is you get what you put in, Khan said. In an institution like the senate, pre-restructuring, I did recognize our work was redundant to what the executive was already working on. Where I was helpful were areas that executives at the time were not putting enough attention into.

Luther said that GUSA is at its most effective when it engages with the student body.

GUSA should understand and reflect the priorities, concerns and zeitgeist of the student body and effectively communicate and advocate these positions to the administration, Luther wrote in an email to The Hoya. Keep fightin for students! Keep engagin! Thats what GUSAs gotta keep doin!

Insular Yet Representative Alex Bobroske (COL 17), who was chief of staff under the Khan-Fisk administration before resigning his post in August, said his first interaction with GUSA as a member of the campaign for Thomas Lloyd (SFS 15) and Jimmy Ramirez (COL 15) illustrated the gaps between the student body and the student government.

Thomas was the president of [G.U.] Pride and Jimmy was in GSP and they had a very different perspective than most of the campaigns that were just white guys in GUSA, Bobroske said. That campaign really opened my eyes to how there were two Georgetowns, if not more, that just never interacted with each other.

Khan said she thinks GUSA has struggled to accurately represent the student population in the past.

In past years, GUSA was not successful in connecting with different communities on campus, Khan said. We are supposed to be the voice of the student body. I dont think GUSA cared enough to represent those voices. Thats why Chris and I ran, because we recognized that representation matters.

Matt Gregory (SFS 17), who ran the Wisemillers Hot Chick and Chicken Madness campaign against Khan and Fisk in 2016, said he ran the campaign to underscore the difference in perspectives between the student body and GUSA. The write-in ticket came second in the election, with 725 total votes in the first round and 878 votes in the final round.

Its very evident that GUSA does not represent the viewpoints of the vast majority of the Georgetown population, Gregory said. GUSA is something that the vast majority of students do not care about at all.

Gregory said he is not optimistic that the insular nature of GUSA will change any time soon.

GUSA has made attempts to reach out to a broader base, but I dont think it has necessarily succeeded, Gregory said. Because GUSA keeps hearing the same voices and same ideas, they advance what they believe to be best, but not what the actual student body believes to be best.

According to Khan, this representation gap is due in part to a lack of opportunities beyond key elected positions.

When you have elected positions, the issue is certain communities dont run or they may run and not necessarily win. For example, that happens with women, Khan said. If you didnt win, I think clearly your viewpoint isnt being represented in GUSA.

Moving Toward Diversity Looking back on their team so far, Khan said she and Fisk have tried to create a more diverse GUSA by increasing the ways to get involved.

We really pushed to our cabinet members to bear in mind intersectionality, Khan said. In terms of the executive and policy teams, its definitely the most representative that Ive seen. We tried to recruit people from outside communities and build coalitions.

According to Khan, a representative student government is vital to address the needs of Georgetowns diverse student population.

When you have vulnerable populations on campus, the nature of the work we should be focusing on is different, Khan said. I hope the student body elects moving-forward people who care about more than just one demographic on campus.

Luther said that while efforts made to create a more representative GUSA are commendable, it is not a change that can happen overnight and is instead dependent on the people who choose to get involved.

No organization will ever exactly reflect the student in its make up or opinion, but, in my time at GUSA, one of our top priorities was engaging with students and especially with groups that had been traditionally turned off by GUSA, Luther wrote in an email to The Hoya. Some administrators are more keen to work with students and have students help guide policy. Others are not.

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Small-l liberal voters have been abandoned in the race to the right – The Sydney Morning Herald

Posted: February 13, 2017 at 9:47 am

So far in 2017, so conservative. Cory Bernardi, Pauline Hanson, Tony Abbott, all dominating political coverage, despite one being Australia’s worst former prime minister since Kevin Rudd.

Why should conservatives get all the notice? Granted it’s far easier for someone on the hard right to provoke his way to an easy headline, with an attack on Islam here, a backbencher dig at the “current” prime minister there.

Throwing bombs, even those you don’t believe in, is the straightforward route to national headlines. No strategy for winning attention beats inciting anger. There’s a reason the tabloids prefer shouty upper-case font on their front pages.

But the news devoted to Bernardi, the delusional hard-right deserter, won for swindling those voters of South Australia who thought they were electing a Liberal rather than a rat, perfectly illustrates why political bomb-throwers do what they do.

The ultimate in ego-driven attention-seeking is to leave the party that gave you a political career to set up your own “movement” with scant regard for the damage done in the process.

And scant regard for reality. Bernardi uttered this sentence in the Senate, apparently without shame: “It is not in the interests of our nation to yield to the temptation of personality politics, which shrink the debate to the opinion of the few whilst compromising the good sense and values of the many.”

How remarkable to utter those words and have the self-regard to think they apply to you.

It must be so liberating to claim to speak for the majority when your fearful, hard-hearted constituency is both small and already well served both by One Nation and the right fringe of the coalition Bernardi just deserted. That reality is likely to strike him hard in the face at the end of his term, five-and-half years and $1.1 million in parliamentary salary payments from now.

In the meantime, the race to the right within the government or at least the fear of doing anything to antagonise the internal haters from Eric Abetz in the south to George Christensen in the north puts the small-l liberal voter in an ever-more difficult position.

Where to turn if you’re liberal on both social and economic issues? Which party to pick if you both favour marriage equality, and want attention devoted to attacking the return of the anti-trade brigade, the rise of a disturbing neo-protectionism?

Labor? The Coalition? The Greens?

No option is even merely adequate, let alone perfect. The Liberals are in permanent thrall to the protectionist Nationals who make up the coalition numbers, some of whom have social positions which to describe as antiquated is insulting to antiques.

Labor might have progressive social policies, and a far more sensible position on climate change, but Bill Shorten’s rhetoric on trade is appalling.

The leader of the Greens is charismatic, many of its social policies are attractively pragmatic, but its protectionist outlook and secondary consideration for matters economic put many small-l liberal voters entirely off. As does its internal war between the hard left and those devoted environmentalists who live in the real economic world.

No political home for the centrist liberal is comfortable in Australia right now. It’s tempting to suggest a break-away party for the centre. Not the pragmatic centre of the deal-making, compromising Nick Xenophon Team, but a principled liberal party, one that is actually liberal free in trade and life rather than the one held hostage by conservatives but still masquerading under the name. One that is reasonable in the exercise of its principles, one that doesn’t suffer from delusions that the market is never wrong, or that income tax is theft. A reasonable liberal party in the centre of Australian politics.

What do we want? Reasonable middle-of-the-road policies. When do we want them? Introduced at an incremental pace.

The obvious problem with that idea is few people pay attention to the reasonable person in public debate, even if they agree with the reasonable position espoused. And even if they did, break-away parties usually decline to be mere flotsam on the political sea.

The depressing likelihood is that the turmoil of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd-Abbott-Turnbull era will end only as soon as one of the major parties lives by the cardinal rule of stable political dominance. Keep the middle.

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CF Orr Stakes Where To Next – Racing.com

Posted: February 12, 2017 at 7:22 am

Black Heart Bart leads the way on his way to winning the C.F. Orr Stakes (Image: Racing Photos)

The Group 1 Futurity Stakes (1400m) and Group 2 Peter Young Stakes (1800m), both run at Caulfield on February 25, are popular next ports of call for those coming out of the Orr Stakes.

Black Heart Bart (winner): Logged his fourth Group 1 on Saturday, and third at Caulfield, and will return to that track where he will aim to become the 18th horse to complete the Orr Stakes-Futurity Stakes double.

Turn Me Loose (2nd): Also goes to the Futurity, which like the Orr, is run at weight-for-age.

Ecuador (3rd): Announced himself as an Australian Cup player with a fine third and likely to be given the chance to further enhance his standing via the Peter Young Stakes.

Palentino (equal 4th): Has won Group 1 races at his past two third-up runs and will look to make that three in the Futurity Stakes.

Jameka (equal 4th): Eye-catching return from the Caulfield Cup winner, who charged to the top of CrownBets Australian Cup market at $4.60, and goes to the Peter Young Stakes.

WATCH: Black Heart Bart deliver more Group 1 success for Weir

Malaguerra (6th): Much head-scratching from the Gelagotis camp, who are now likely to drop the dual Group 1 winner back to 1200m. William Reid Stakes, at Moonee Valley late next month, an option ahead of the T.J. Smith Stakes in Sydney.

Awesome Rock (7th): Copped a nasty black eye, but other than that emerged from the race well and presses on to the Peter Young Stakes.

Hes Our Rokkii (8th): Satisfactory return and will come back to Caulfield in a fortnight for either the Futurity or Peter Young.

Divine Prophet (9th): Disappointing first-up, but likely to head straight to the Group 1 Australian Guineas (1600m) on March 4.

Lucky Hussler (10th): Had been slated to head to the Futurity, but turned in a rare shocker when never a factor. Will be checked over by the Weir stable in coming days.

Miss Rose De Lago (11th): Had a tough run wide on the speed, but took no harm from the outing and will now be dropped back to mares grade with the Group 3 Mannerism Stakes (1400m) the target.

Arod (last): Plan was to head to the Futurity Stakes second-up, but that may be up in the air following his poor showing. Was vetted post-race, with no obvious abnormalities.

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